2) Christiani/oi designated people as adherents or partisans of Christ, and not the fictive sons/daughters of someone. Ian Kershaw, What a great privilege it is to be here Bonnie L. Oscarson, My mother, sister and I watched through the windows as my father gambled. hmm no. Indeed, the Danaides were punished for this after their death with a horrible and eternal torment. Enter the email address you signed up with and we'll email you a reset link. This document is the earliest Christian writing besides the New Testament documents. 232-241). Given the surprisingly widespread acceptance of the great significance ofthis axial event in Christian history, the thinness of the evidence on all aspects of it is quite striking. Lactantius wrote accounts of the wrongful persecutions of Christians by Roman rulers yet he omits any mention of a fire in the time of Nero. to remind ourselves.". Aldrich) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) : Let us attend to what is good, pleasing, and acceptable in the sight of Him who formed us. In a fit of despondency Nykteus killed himself, after charging Lykos (Lycus) to punish Epopeus and Antiope. Maybe this was because he loathed Christians too much to mention them at all anywhere in his work. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects. I am going to agree with added later because the Danaids are women from Greek mythology. The absence is doubly striking since it was precisely a fire at Nicomedia (two of them, in fact) that caused Galerius and Diocletian to turn on the Christians in the Great Persecution of 303 C.E. The trope of the jealous spouse delating his wife to Roman authorities in the city of Rome is also found in the writings of Justin Martyr who was probably writing in the mid-second century. Shaw accepts the high likelihood that rumours about who was responsible for the fire were rife. What seems to make the idea so compelling and impossible to dismiss is that it is based on a high quality historical source of apparently unimpeachable fidelity, the Annales of the historian Tacitus. The third or fourth bishop of Rome has been proposed, but there are numerous pseudepigraphical texts attached to his name and no certain provenience or date can be established for the text. A technical comment regarding Clements Letter to the Corinthians: As far as I remember (also from Earl Dohertys texts), the expressions put to death (in most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death) and suffered martyrdom under the prefects do not correspond to the Greek text (which gives no indication of violent deaths). The connections were such that Tacitus had at his disposal, in either written or oral sources, what he believed to be credible and compelling grounds to accept the stories that linked the Christians, Nero, and the fire at Rome as elements of a true narrative. It betrays some modernizing or up-dating of the facts, among them calling Pontius Pilatus, the governor of Judaea, a procurator. I think, though, that Clement is simply saying that battle for holiness and a pure church is a battle every church must continue in. For if I say to you: I recognise in that dream,such and such a myth; or in that emotion about my father, that folk-tale; or the atmosphere of that memory is the same as an English ballad-then you smile, you are satisfied. And Juno was propitiated by Roman matrons, first on the Capitol and then at the nearby seashore from which water was drawn and sprinkled on the temple and the image of the goddess. The writer concludes: Thereafter the brethren kept together with one accord, rejoicing and exulting in the Lord. No Tacitean horror spectacle there. He was accused of inflicting horrible martyrdoms on the Christians, and thus the legend in its latest form reached the Chronicle of Sulpicius. Crossans Jesus and the Violence of Scripture (SPCK 2015), a passage re Nero, not because I support either of these writers in their views of HJ but because it rang a bell regarding the transmission of the (divine?) Five Reasons Why Mythicism is Disappointing, Where Morality Comes From a Rawlsian view, As for Near Death Experiences, I ask myself what is more likely: that a person really did in some sense, There are tonnes of things in the ot that draw from ancient near East beliefs, further Myth made fact a, Dear Austendw, Darshans essay is fascinating, and shows in my opinion how much Leviticus sacrificial and purity laws are at, Hi Neil As you may remember, I have not in the past been a fan of Russell Gmirkins theory that, I wish there was an edit button: These bittersweet messages seem, to me, to be more of a sigh of, The problem of course is that the serpents advice is perfectly reasonable and indeed wise. Greeka team and its community members will be delighted to help you! The author writes that there was a "great multitude furnished us with a most excellent example." He names two women (Danaids and Dircae) who were "persecuted after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments." (Chapter 7) He "admonishes" them, but doesn't offer any sort of command. But not to dwell upon ancient examples, let us come to the most recent spiritual heroes. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Most Americans tend to think of religion as something rather fluid. Thus Shaws contention, as Bowersock puts it, that Tacituss version of the fire derives from a fiction, Christian or otherwise, that was devised and disseminated at some point between 64 and the time when he was writing, more than five decades later, fails to take into account the silence of three long centuries (including in all Roman historians as well). He also presented a circus entertainment and in the dress of a charioteer he either mixed with the crowd or stood in his own chariot. The problems here are almost overwhelming. My I quote, without being accused of irrelevant trolling, from A.N. How much further than that you can go has never been defined by law. "[The rivers and springs flee before the pregnant goddess Leto, fearing the wrath of Hera should they provide her refuge :] Fled, too, Aonia [Boiotia] on the same course, and [the Naiades] Dirke (Dirce) and Strophia, holding the hands of their sire, dark-pebbled Ismenos (Ismenus). Indeed, the degree of certainty in the Neronian persecution stands in almost inverse proportion to the quality and quantity of the data. Tom Berenger, It seems to me that being psycho-analysed is essentially a process where one is forced back into infantilism and then rescued from it by crystallising what one learns into a sort of intellectual primitivism-one is forced back into myth, and folk lore and everything that belongs to the savage or undeveloped stages of society. It is hard to believe that Lactantius was wholly unaware of Tacitus. To these men who spent their lives in the practice of holiness, there is to be added a great multitude of the elect, who, having through envy endured many indignities and tortures, furnished. There is thus no good evidence, Shaw concludes, that Nero was the first persecutor of the Christians, or that he had Christians rounded up for punishment in connection with the fire of Rome. Who? Jim Evans, Strasser hoped to replace the Programme of 1920. The list in the Bibliotheca[3] preserves not only the names of brides and grooms but also those of their mothers. Contents 1 Family 2 Mythology 3 In Roman culture 4 Notes 5 References Given the surprisingly widespread acceptance of the great significance ofthis axial event in Christian history, the thinness of the evidence on all aspects of it is quite striking. Three were burned to the ground. 18:30]. Prior to this episode the letter notes in very general terms that. I know of no other site which offers a wide range of topics related to careful critical analysis of historically and scripturally related issues. The intelligent Aegyptus wanted to get his sons married to the Danaides. It is worth noting that Tacitus Annals 15 derives from a single manuscript, found in the derives from a single manuscript found in a monastery at Monte Cassino in the 13 or 14th century, that also found its way into the hands of Poggio Bracciolini. Dirke was probably the same as the nymphe Derketis. "Let us look stedfastly to the blood of Christ, and see how precious that blood is to God which, having been shed for our salvation, has set the grace of repentance before the whole world.". Nouvelles Considerations, pp. Scholars Press. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) : Guided by the gods and not intending to cause a war between them, he decided to give his kingdom to his brother and leave the country in search for another life. 2. ", Nancy Fraser- June 2019 (personal email), "Many thanks for this post, and for the quality of your blog. It advocated a racially integrated German nation at the heart of a central European customs union, the basis of a united states of Europe. Christians were known by the label Christian. The daughters were ordered by their father to kill their husbands on the first night of their weddings and this they all did with the exception of one, Hypermnestra, who spared her husband Lynceus because he respected her desire to remain a virgin. 2:12). Wherefore let us give up vain and fruitless cares, and approach to the glorious and venerable rule of our holy calling. The third is the special interest of the Roman Church in the death of the two chief apostles, Peter and Paul, at Rome. It is very unlikely that in 50s and 50sC.E. You can return Home, go to the index of commentaries, or go to my categorized index of artices. ", "Thanks for your very elaborate review! In Greek mythology, the Danades (/dne.diz/; Greek: ), also Danaides or Danaids, were the fifty daughters of Danaus. The DANAIDS are the 50 daughters of Danaus 1who married the sons of Aegyptus 1, and murdered their husbands (except one) on their wedding night. A fuller account is then given in the Chronicle of Sulpicius Severus (died 403 A.D.), but it is mixed with the most transparent Christian legends, such as the story of the death of Simon Magus, the bishopric and sojourn of Peter at Rome, etc. So much for the late legend of Peter being crucified, let alone crucified upside down. (As usual, bolded font and formatting are my own.). 51:16-17; Ezek. According to Hippostratus, Danaus had all these progeny begotten by a single woman, Europa, the daughter of Nilus.[4]. Many points in the passage have been closely debated, but as a whole does it reflect reliable history? 6:14). God has always forgiven those who repent (Ps. The most interesting fact about these brothers is their progeny. You may copy, but not sell this information. Online version at the Topos Text Project. Through envy, those women, the Danaids and Dirc, being persecuted, after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments, finished the course of their faith with stedfastness, and though weak in body, received a noble reward. Through jealousy women were made to appear as Danaids and Dircae, suffering terrible and unholy indignities; they finished the race of faith unshaken and received a noble reward, weak in the body though they were. Not by any human resources, not by the benefactions of the emperor, and not by any placating of the gods did the sinister rumour fade by which it was believed that the fire had been ordered. Around the year 95 AD, a letter was written by the Church of Rome to the Church at Corinth that is attributed to Saint Clement. 25. "Antiopa, daughter of Nycteus . He nevertheless does not subscribe to the historians account of Neros reign. Wilson) (Greek rhetorician C2nd to 3rd A.D.) : They had been denounced as Christians by their jealous husbands. Clement, writing for the church of Rome, gives a humble beginning to his discussion on repentance. Shepherds reared her sons as their own, and called one Zetos (Zethus) and the other Amphion . Online version at the Perseus Digital Library. [T]he name Chrestus is a very common one, no ancient source makes the identification with Christians, certainly not Suetonius (p. 102). (I) Why does Clement quote so many texts of the Old Testament and only a few words . We saw the phrase "grace of repentance" in the last chapter. ISBN 1-905048-0-68. Musings on biblical studies, politics, religion, ethics, human nature, tidbits from science. Owing to envy, Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. These were the measures devised by human planning [i.e. The vague charges of incendiarism assumed a more definite form, and were associated with the character of Antichrist, which the Church was accustomed to ascribe to Nero on account of his supposed diabolical cruelty. Slingerlands own proposal for the identity of Chrestus is imaginative and novel. Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Danaus soon understood the plan of his brother and was not willing to surrender his beautiful daughters to his nasty nephews. He and Tacitus were junior senators in the time of Domitian when the fire was still being commemorated on public boundary markers. ", Pausanias, Description of Greece 9. They had been denounced as Christians by their jealous husbands. The simple argument of this essay, deliberately framed as a provocative hypothesis, is that this event never happened and that there are compelling reasons to doubt that it should have any place either in the history of Christian martyrdom or in the history of the early Church. Several minor female characters, mentioned in various accounts unrelated to the main myth of Danaus and the Danades, are also referred to as daughters of Danaus. . ", "I think you have a high quality blog that provides a positive public service by discussing academic topics within a wider audience. Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. This chapter just gives more examples of martyrdom and persecution and points out the basis of persecution is envy. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Neil is the author of this post. We need not recognise all Hocharts arguments as equally sound, yet we must admit that in their entirety and agreement they are worthy of consideration, and are well calculated to disturb the ingenuous belief in the authenticity of the passage of Tacitus. Irving, TX 75062 When the sons found out who their mother was, they put Dirce to death by bidning her to an untamed bull; by the kindness of Liber [Dionysos], whose votary she was, on Mount Cithaeron, a spring was formed from her body, which was called Dirce. The name of Christian was not applied so early as the identifier of this Jewish sect. Why the Split? . Her waters were sacred to the god Dionysos. For example, when Tacitus says that there arose a distaste towards Nero for his executions because they were perceived to be a concession to the emperors bestiality and not a contribution to the utilitas publica of the state, he is surely echoing a dominant ideology not of the 60s but of his own age. The myth of Danaides is the story of fifty women who commit a horrible wrongdoing: guided by their father, they all kill their husbands on their wedding night! 3) 1 Clement is authentic therefore confirms the Pauls death under Nero. Books and publications are covered with a range of perspectives with attempts at fair and accurate representation of others arguments and content (where there are occasional and inevitable missteps on that I notice Neil making corrections and apologies where warranted, which wins points with me). "These things, beloved, we write unto you, not merely to admonish you of your duty, but also Nero had somehow come to be connected with the Christians; For example, when Tacitus says that there arose a distaste towards Nero for his executions because they were perceived to be a concession to the emperors bestiality and not a contribution to the. The first is the apocalyptic idea, which saw in Nero the Antichrist, the embodiment of all evil, the terrible adversary of the Messiah and his followers. 20.135, who served Claudius and advised him to side with the Samaritans in their dispute against the Jews (pp. The forty-nine brides who killed their husband were punished for their crime. He lists Peter, Paul andDanaids and Dircae. And Dohertys point about the failure to reference Tacituss passage until very late, too Id like to assess it carefully against the alternative proposed by Shaw. 5 (trans. doi:10.1017/S0028688517000352. Without doubt, Danaus brought her in front of the Argos court. It is noteworthy that Poggio Bracciolini* seems by some lucky chance to have discovered and read this manuscript (work quoted, p. 225). Document Details : Title: 'Danades et Dircs' Subtitle: Sur 1 Cl 6,2 Author(s): KOZLOWSKI, Jan M. Journal: Ephemerides Theologicae Lovanienses Volume: 82 Issue: 4 Date: December 2006 Pages: 467-478 DOI: 10.2143/ETL.82.4.2018923 Abstract : The purpose of the current article is to address a question to which scholars devoted considerable thought: the identity of the Christian women whom . Jones) (Greek travelogue C2nd A.D.) : Aelian, Historical Miscellany 12. the pagan writer Tacitus testifies to these evernt in his Annales (15, 44) as does Clement, bishop of Rome, in his letter to the Corinthians (chapters 5-7). Well, I essentially said all of this and presented all of this evidence (and more) in my 2009 book Jesus: Neither God Nor Man. 6:2 By reason of jealousy women being persecuted, after that they had suffered cruel and unholy insults as Danaids and Dircae, safely reached the goal in the race of faith, and received a noble reward, feeble though they were in body. To get rid of the rumour, Nero found and provided the defendants, and he afflicted with the most refined punishments those persons whom, hated for their shameful acts, the common people were accustomed to call Chrestiani. Your email address will not be published. The gods Athena and Hermes purified them at the command of Zeus. Soon the sons of Aegyptus presented themselves to the palace and asked once more to marry the Danaides. | Contact Us 57 (trans. There are intelligent, thoughtful comments and commenters regularly offering productive discussion. We must not forget what a close connection there is between this narrative and the whole of Christian history, and what interest religious education and the Church have in preventing any doubt from being cast on it.. Top Danaides And Dircae Quotes Anyone interested in becoming a professional umpire and becoming eligible to work in the minor leagues must attend one of the two umpire schools sanctioned by Major League Baseball. He indulged in all the trappings of his day, including the pastime of watching gladiatorial combat and games where criminals were tortured or eaten alive by wild animals. "Neil, for what it is worth it is obvious to me that if you had earlier in life tracked into a graduate program at one of the worlds leading research universities you would be one of the worlds formidable ones. (The latter is a phenomenon which Tertullian is one of the earliest to focus on, yet without appealing to any Great Fire controversy. It is, however, very doubtful, in view of the silence of the other Christian authors who used Tacitus, if the manuscript of Tacitus which Sulpicius used contained the passage in question. For Aegyptus, these fifty marriages appeared as an easy route to acquire the properties of Danaus. Other references not currently quoted here: Euripides Bacchae 519, Euripides Heracles 27, Propertius 3.16.13. Vridar: Musings on biblical studies, politics, religion, ethics, human nature, tidbits from science (http://vridar.org/) by Neil Godfrey", -- Klaas Spronk, - Bibliotheca Orientalis LXXI, 3/4 (2014). The historian certainly knew the differencebetween governors who were praefecti and those who were procuratores, and elsewhere he notes the distinction. Now turn to the Book of Revelation, and we find that the Nero-like figure who is coming to destroy and kill on a cosmic scale is none other than Christ. Around the turn of the century, then, an identifiable group, disruptive to the social order and known as Christians, were coming to the notice of the ruling classes. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. To begin with, there is no evidence that Christians were crucified as a penalty for their faith. I do need to touch on the two women Clement lists, "the Danaids and Dircae." Prof. Shaws case undermining the historicity of the Tacitus account and its supposed witness to Jesus is an important one, but it could have been much more conclusive and also more supportive to Jesus as myth. 142-72. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Witnesses_to_the_Historicity_of_Jesus/Part_2/Section_2. He himself loathed Nero. I really should have included chapter 6 with chapters 3-5 because it is just a continuation. "When Alexandros [Alexander the Great] the son of Philippos led his forces against Thebes the gods sent them signs and portents presaging their imminent fate . However, Shaw stresses the importance of recognising the passage is the only source for the involvement of Christians with the fire and their persecution in its aftermath.. Notice that he says that those whom Nero rounded up were called Christians/Chrestians. It would take a separate article to cover the evidence for this word not being generally known among the elites of the likes of Tacitus, Juvenal, Pliny and Suetonius until the early second century. The paucity and weakness of the data, however, have not prevented acceptance of the historicity of this first persecution as an undisputed fact. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects. cf. ISMENOS (Callimachus Hymn to Delos, Nonnus Dionysiaca 44.10), Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. Through envy, those women, the Danaids and Dircae, being persecuted, after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments, finished the course of their faith with steadfastness, and though weak in body, received a noble reward. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) : Nonnus, Dionysiaca 44. At the time, the lethal superstitio was repressed, but it burst out again not only throughout Judaea, the origin of this evil (sickness), but through the City (of Rome) to which everything that is savage and shameful flows from all directions and is actually celebrated. I call them amateurs only for the reason that they dont have, so far as I know, advanced degrees in the subject. In fact, Godfrey is extremely well read and his librarian skills have brought many important academic works to my attention. But in fact all I do, or you do, is to fish among the childish memories. The lack of connection is all the more striking since Lactantius was well aware of the tradition that Nero was a persecutor of Christians and of the rumours that Nero was going to return to earth, in some form, to renew the persecution. certain womenwho were spectacularly executed, dressed up as Danaids and Dircae. Not applied so early as the nymphe Derketis dirke was probably the same as the of. 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